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Please note that this is not a page for anyone who wishes to merely complain about the filing system of the site. The capitalization scheme has been set up the way it has for distinct and specific reasons, and these reasons are explained fully on the main page. If you don't care for the scheme and would like to suggest other solutions to the reasons that exist, then please do so. Otherwise, you are not likely to receive any reply to general complaints. If you have questions about how the pagenaming rules affect a certain item, then this is the appropriate forum for those questions.

Please also note that with the MediaWiki program having been updated, one can now place {{DISPLAYTITLE:the capitalization that should be displayed}} at the top of the page to display whatever correctly capitalized page title is necessary. EX: t.A.T.u..

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Contents 1 Request 2 feat. and other annotations 3 Capitalization 4 How do I delete a lyrics page and should I? 5 Same band with different names/Different bands with same names 6 I disapprove

[edit] Request

Could we give to this page a better visibility. I couldn't find it inside the help menu (I mean... only after a few hours, I found a link in the FAQ) and I think it tells very interesting things for the beginners 82.66.8.62 05:44, 2 January 2008 (EST) Yota, a not yet registered user

Hi! What about a Move template to mark the pages? Also, it would be could to add where do you suggest the page should be move, i think just adding the category is not enough. What do you think?? --Unaiaia (talk) 08:40, 31 December 2006 (EST)

Well, i've just seen there's actually {{RequestMove|from=Mighty_Mighty_BossTones,_The|to=The Mighty Mighty BossTones}} :D --Unaiaia (talk) 08:42, 1 January 2007 (EST)

I thought about that, but I saw Teknomunk had already created one just recently: Template:Move. So apparently, we have two now. Which one are we going to use? --Mischko <img src="/images/3/31/Talkicon.png" alt="Talk to me" /> <img src="/images/1/1e/EsperanzaIcon.png" alt="Esperanza Member" /> 10:15, 1 January 2007 (EST)

I didn't see that template (Template:RequestMove) when I made Template:Move. However, Template:Move was made to resemble Template:Deletion, has a 'reason' parameter and was specifically for batch moves. If you want, you are more than welcome to merge these two templates together.

- - teknomunk (talk,E) 14:10, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Done here, merged both with backwards compatability for RequestMove, please someone write something better for the use instructions... I suck at it :D --Unaiaia (talk) 14:40, 1 January 2007 (EST)

[edit] feat. and other annotations

We should add this as policy. My suggestion is: everything in ( ) goes out of the link unless the lyrics are different to the song without the () (I mean, there are two versions of the lyrics...) --Unaiaia (please, reply here) 14:45, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Obviously I agree. ;-) The policy has always been to keep the title as official as possible, except (as you mentioned) for when a notation is necessary to differentiate between two versions of a song. The moves I just made had 2 or 3 different ways to abbreviated "featured", which shows how messed up things could get if unnecessary featured notations slip in. I'm sure Sean would love to try and program those search parameters! Anyhow, I guess it hasn't been spelled out here beyond the "as close as possible to the original name" bit. Plus, when the featured artists are separated from the song title, nice links to their artist page can be made, as I did on Basement Jaxx:Kish Kash (2003)! Linkage is goooooood! --Kiefer <img src="/images/5/58/KieferE.jpg" alt="Esperanza" /> <img src="/images/f/f9/KieferTalk.jpg" alt="Talk!" /> 15:10, 24 January 2007 (EST)

[edit] Capitalization

Why always using capitalization ? It can suit with English or German but it's never done in French, or I guess a plenty of other languages. These "technical reasons" are only administrators' caprices, who cannot understand the diversity of the languages. There is no rule in no language saying "the artistic/musical titles must be capitalized", therefore deciding to create these rules is only being fashion submissive. "If the others do that, I will do the same, because not conforming to the majority is bad..." (Apologize my mistakes, English is not my mother tongue.) Best regards, lyricwiki.org is still a good idea. 82.240.207.81 09:27, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

I agree with previous user. In Finnish and several other languages the titles of books, songs etc. are not capitalized. Maybe we could have separate capitalization rules for different languages? --88.195.16.77 06:05, 3 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] How do I delete a lyrics page and should I?

I've seen a lot of songs listed under artists that they are not by. I can't move them because the real artists already have existing pages for the songs. Should I delete them and how do I go about it?--Drumac 23:05, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

Mark the songs with {{Deletion|put a link to the correct title here}} and an administrator will take care of it for you.

- teknomunk (talk,E) 23:15, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

thanks--Drumac 23:54, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Same band with different names/Different bands with same names

Have any policies or recommendations formed over these issues? A case in point, there are both an American and a British band named The Mission, The Charlatans, and The Beat. When the British bands were marketed in the US they had to alter their names to The Mission UK, The Charlatans UK, and The English Beat, respectively. For an international perspective I think it would be preferable to call the British bands what they called themselves (i.e. The Mission, The Charlatans, and The Beat) but this will cause problems if songs from the American bands of those names are ever uploaded. Any thoughts on how this should be handled? --McGhiever 15:32, 16 December 2007 (EST)

Yeah, got the same problem with Boris - apparently there are at least 4 different artists with that name. The currently linked is the Dutch singer - but I'd like to add the Japanese rock band. My suggestion would be to add the country in brackets, like Boris (Japan). Additionally a disambiguation page should be added. Firehawk 17:09, 16 December 2007 (EST)

Use whatever parenthetical add-on seems most appropriate to differentiate between the artists. As for The Mission and The Charlatans, I would personally use "The Mission (UK)" and "The Charlatans (UK)" as those kind of merge the two versions of their name. Along the same thought, perhaps "The Beat (The English Beat)"? That becomes a bit clunky for song page links, though, so perhaps a simple "The Beat (UK)" would work best as well, with a redirect from "The English Beat", of course. I think usually add-ons for similarly named artists tend to be their country of origin, but can also be their musical style. I think I had to differentiate between a rap group and a punk group once, for instance. As a horrible amount of overlapping isn't very common (4 Boris', eh? Whew!) I normally add a disambiguation note using the {{Info}} template on each page, linking to the other.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   01:21, 17 December 2007 (EST)

[edit] I disapprove

Capitalizing every word in titles is not correct English. I think we should change this. LilAlexthaRapper 21:18, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

There is a madness to the method. You have read the explanation at the top of the page, yes?    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   21:45, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

But it's not proper English, as I already said. LilAlexthaRapper 13:15, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

It is fine to use this for English, but to impose it for other languages is stupid (oh yeah, it is called “language”, not “nation”; the two are completely different things). For example, Scandinavian languages have very clear capitalization rules for titles: Only the first letter is to be capitalised, unless there is a proper noun in there. So Øystein Sunde’s album Som varmt hvetebrød i tørt gress should have that name; “Som Varmt Hvetebrød I Tørt Gress” not only looks stupid, it is outright wrong. For English, this policy makes sense (because it has illogical rules for capitalisation in the first place), but it should not be imposed for other languages. Jon Harald Søby 19:14, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

You are proving the point by what you say. If English has one set of rules (albeit very complicated) and other languages have others, then no one can guess what rules to apply for any one else. Therefore there should be some monolithic, simplistic rule across all languages. --Aquatiki - T - E 04:06, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but that makes no sense. If you know enough of a language to write lyrics in that language, you will normally also know the rules of capitalisation – and if you don’t, someone else can fix it for you. Jon Harald Søby 18:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

The reasons for the capitalization scheme are given on the main page. Essentially, the site needs a filing scheme that is for ALL languages, and doesn't change depending on the language so that the site can be easily implemented by various applications as a database and so that we don't have a handful of pages for the exact same song under a variety of capitalization schemes. With the MediaWiki program being updated, one can now place {{DISPLAYTITLE:the capitalization that should be displayed}} at the top of the page to display whatever correctly capitalized page title is necessary.

This is not a page for anyone who wishes to to just say that the capitalization scheme is "stupid", "wrong", "crazy", etc. It is how it is for distinct and specific reasons. If you don't care for the scheme and would like to suggest other solutions to the reasons that exist, then please do so. Otherwise, you are not likely to receive any reply to your comments.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   00:49, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

JHS, the lyrics are gathered by programs that don't speak (or even identify) languages. We need one set of rules that is programmable and consistent. Since there is no overall unity, we must impose an arbitrary system that impinges upon everyone equally. --Aquatiki - T - E 02:55, 13 October 2008 (UTC)