User talk:Aquatiki

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[edit] Language problem continues...

Whilst I would not propose this be done until the upgrade has been completed, I would very much appreciate your input in the interim on how best we can resolve the following two problems:

1.Songs Needing Language Identification (currently in excess of 598,000).

Yes, looks horrific doesn't it? However this is very inaccurate, since many songs are currently and wrongly being put in this category which are in fact identifiable by language. See Senv's talk page (It was in fact Senv who bought this to my attention).

2.Songs that do actually need language identification (currently in excess of 143,000).

Which is still quite major, as I'm sure you'll agree, but not quite as bad ;) I believe most of these are probably English language songs and were created in the days when it was thought that the language parameter only needed to be completed if the song was not sung in English.

So how best to resolve this problem?

Personally, I like Jim's idea which basically is to get a bot to search for something like " the " within a song's lyrics and, if found, insert "English" in the language parameter of SongFooter.

Ok we could cheat, go for a quickfix and get a bot to insert "English" for all artists from an English speaking country, "German" for all those artists with the Country parameter set in {{Hometown}} of Germany, etc. because of course most of these would be right. But that simply reminds me of the discussion we had about the language parameter on the new Song template defaulting to English and I think we decided on balance that this would be wrong...

I'd certainly be happy to utilise SandBot to assist in some way with this task, but in view of the size of the problem it obviously needs someone more experienced than me at the helm. I would also need to be provided with the regex code that would fully autonomise this task on my machine (after my recent projects, I am certainly not volunteering to do this manually - rfl!!)

I would also appreciate your confirmation as to wether I am correct in thinking that it is the code in the SongFooter template that is causing the songs with languages to be wrongly categorised as needing language identification. KingNee seems to think I could be right in suspecting this to be the root cause. That having been said, in view of the extensive use of this template and therefore the impact on the job queue, I would not dream of correcting this myself.

I think that about covers it. Thanks Aqua.

 _♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪^Talk 12:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I hardly believe Red's assumption about SongFooter template is well-founded. Make a little experiment: take any song wrongly included into Cat:Songs Needing Language Identification (having language parameter filled) and produce any pseudocorrection (just additional space somewhere) with saving. Then recheck category page - song will be gone! That's why I still think that caching is involved here someway. BTW, don't forget that LW is sometimes suffering from "pseudo-caching", caused by problems with synchronization between servers. Regards, --Senvaikis ^(talk) 14:08, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes Senv you are correct. Caching problem.  _♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪^Talk 07:47, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, those sound like good work arounds, but I don't know about the "the" theory. J-Pop (and other languages) use English smatterings in their songs that are mainly in their language. I suggest anything that doesn't contain something outside of A-Z or a-z be put in English. I.E., French always contains é's, German always contains ü's and other languages have other characters. This isn't foolproof, but it's a start.

As you pointed out though, all of this is academic until Specialpages are working again. I can't stand repetitive tasks being done by hand, so I'm very keen to fire up the bot again. --Aquatiki - T - E 20:21, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Agreed  _♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪^Talk 07:47, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Can I ask...

..why <noinclude> doesn't work on user pages? I have attempted this twice now and for exactly same reasons >>> User_talk:Team_a/Song_Checklist2. Incidentally, team a is also the official "Watcher" of the Page Ranking Policy Talk Page too (lol)  _♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪^Talk 00:24, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're asking. You are attempting to include Song_Checklist2 on another page, but not part of it? Is that right? --Aquatiki - T - E 01:24, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Hee hee sorry. And no I'm not attempting to include Song_Checklist2 on another page. Song Checklist2 belongs to team a. He created it and put it on one of his user sub pages. However, if you look again, you will see that his user page is now in every category going. I want to remove his user page from these categories as it is inappropriate for his user page to be in these categories. I had the same problem with Senvaikis a few weeks back. He had done a similar thing. However, when I try to edit their pages and resolve the problem by inserting <noinclude> it doesn't work. His user pages are still in categories.  _♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪^Talk 01:47, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I use {{subst:User:Team_a/Song_Checklist2}} to create song ranking checklists with myself as the watcher (for multiple pages I'm going to be working on). All I am trying to do is include the info without having to store it somewhere, open the file/page, and copy and paste. However, Redxx pointed out that the page itself is part of WAY too many categories. Any advice? ♠team a ‹_talk•ctrb› @01:34, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

EDIT: I also noticed that I'm the official watcher of Page Ranking Policy Talk Page, and I have no idea at all why. I read the page text around the few places I posted, and I don't know how I am officially watching it... ♠team a ‹_talk•ctrb› @01:53, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I think Red was just joking about you being the official watcher. Try subst'ing the page now: I think I fixed it. --Aquatiki - T - E 03:23, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes just my warped humour I'm afraid and yes you did fix it Aqua thank you. But I'd still like to know how to fix this on user pages when there isn't such a link (only a template...that in itself links to a category..)? And btw there was a bit of a problem last night with your user talk page. I fixed it, but I notice there aren't any section edit links :(  _♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪^Talk 10:22, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I think I'd better list the lack of edits on the current problems, because I have no idea what's causing it... --Aquatiki - T - E 12:15, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AotW Soundgarden:Superunknown (1994)

Hi Aquatiki! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of Soundgarden:Superunknown (1994) has won Album of the Week for 6 October 2008 until 12 October 2008!
Thanks for nominating an album and for contributing to LyricWiki! --WillMak050389 03:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)