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Contents 1 Just reminder ;) 2 Nick Cave 3 Just a Note 4 Adminship? 5 API and template question 6 Odd ringtone-related bug 7 Eminem 8 Joe Satriani 9 Album Template

[edit] Just reminder ;)

Do you use Firefox Senv? If you do here's the solution >> (scroll to the bottom).  _♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪^Talk 01:23, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Thx, Red, I used your hint, it works; but does it help us to extend our community? I'd never joined it if saw those 'beauties' on every page...--Senvaikis ^(talk) 12:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Seems to me you are another one who has not seen this >>> LyricWiki_talk:Ads#Ringtones_trial. (Note my last comment at the bottom of page too.)  _♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪^Talk 14:47, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks once more for info, Red; and forgive me for not commenting that anymore - I've gave myself a promise not to emphasize any questions, related to LW SOAP WS (I did that mistake at my starting days here). I hope there's no need to explain you how these at first sight different questions are related. I've understood my mistake long before all this RT tizz. Regards, --Senvaikis ^(talk) 20:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nick Cave

Hope that took care of Nick and all his evil incarnations ;) cheers ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 12:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Nope... Seems I wasn't clear enough... Unfortunately must leave for a while, so try to be short: moving artist doesn't move a song, so NCAndTBS contains a lot of same songs of 'NC&TBS' in OS. I was just lookin' for a lazy way of getting rid of OS ;). cu, --Senvaikis ^(talk) 13:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if you asked Echo to do this because he is doing such a great job with SE2, or whether it's because of Batch Move, but sorry to say Senv there simply is no easy way to do what you want to do.

Whilst it is true that admin can batch move songs from one artist to another, we can only do this if the target page does not already exist. (And just how often do you think that holds true, eh? lol) If the target page already exists, comparisons need to be made by a human eye to establish which is the better and most complete page, and therefore which of the two pages it would be best to keep. Thereafter the page has either to be moved to the correct name and the inferior page overwritten, or the page has to be redirected to the correctly named page. Yes I know, a very time consuming task indeed, but as I say, there is no easy way :( I don't know how many song pages are involved, but we could do a few each. I'd be willing to help.
 _♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪^Talk 23:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying Red. I think the best way to deal with such situations is that the person who eyeballs the duplicate songs under 2 or more variations of the artist name should put a deletion request on the inferior pages (in many cases the inferior page has bits of info like iTunes that the superior lyrics lack and these two need to be unified). The entire merge/redirect/delete operation can be botified, and that's what I intend to do. (Merge template removed from the superior page at the correct artist namespace, Redirected page have all it's text expect #redir removed, and deleteables deleted). The OS list of the artist (being Senv's main target it seems) will be taken care of once the approp templates are applied and the Janitor (Where is that JANITOR? LOL) won't add them to the OS list again. hth cheers ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 23:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I haven't thought it all this through yet Echo, but yes that certainly does help and my initial reaction (as I'm sure Senv's will be too - lol) is - excellent stuff!! I'm with you on this. As I already said, I'm willing to assist. Just let me know when you're ready to tackle Nick Cave and I'm there. I'm not much good on the bot front unless provided with an Idiots Guide (lol) but my mince pies are still in good order . That having been said, they are not quite as good as they were since the overload of red on each LW page... As for Senv? Well I'm sure Senv is just going to be pleased to know that old Nick's going to be done, eh Senv?  _♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪^Talk 00:45, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
P.S. Re Janitor: the MediaWiki upgrade broke his login procedure :( that's why he's been out of action.

Hi, thank both of you. Red said she doesn't know why I asked ES to do that, but at once answered herself - it's not simple! Exactly; if it would be - I'd never asked ES ;). Anyway I'm glad both you agree that NC deserves 'better life'. And I know you both know my 'love' to LW updating interface - I'd better delete all that OS and make a perfect NC page using automatic requests to reliable MB, Amazon, discorg sources... (relax, I know it's a wiki and that's inadmissible.) But even if I did that, - a few days later this page would be 'replenished' again with OS, full of songs, recorded by NC, nc, Nc, nC, cn, cN, etc. etc. Manual managing of all this garbage newer was my dream. Btw, ES - haven't you ever got a strange feeling of doing a Sizyphean job, fighting with SNLI (now - fLetter?) or something similar, knowing that you are fighting not with a problem itself, - just only with it's results? Wouldn't it be better just to solve the problem instead of making millions pseudoedits? That's why I really appreciate your intention to 'botify entire ... operation'. Thanks, Sierra! I was right asking ES, wasn't I, Red? ;) cheers, --Senvaikis ^(talk) 20:03, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

The guy sure has got a good hang on this whole bot thing Senv, so if some of this can be botified then yes I feel sure Echo will find a way.  _♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪^Talk 02:39, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Hope you are happy with Nick's new Cave. fLetter is over, SNLI is just normal really, not many people care about putting down the language, and just like broken & double redirects it will continue to get populated and de-populated and will need Human eyes to fix. I like the big challanges, but a few errors catch more attention than outright requests for comments and input. Attention seems to be inversely proprtional to Rank ;) Hopefully I will get around to write a Mac version of your utility (if for no one else but myself!) cheers ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 12:39, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, ES, - my choice was right :). It was interesting to follow your efforts considering redirects, batch movings and mergings. I like that you like challenges; let me tap this your feature in the future ;) Regarding the last challenge you've mentioned - I have some thoughts making such task extremely simple (and less page formatting-dependent), but I feel you know all those thoughts beforehand ... ;). cheers, --Senvaikis ^(talk) 16:23, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Hardly Senv, I'm still learning...I trip on those odd exceptions that you have already coded and debugged, but like you, I won't stress any point too much. Does your utility fetch the entire songpage with all the metadata, or just the lyrics? Is there a screen shot somewhere to see? cheers ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 02:14, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Currently lwt uses object song, having almost all song attributes in it's propertysheet, but not all of them are used (audio, akuma, download, all romanized-attrs etc). You may find some screenshots of utils here. cheers, --Senvaikis ^(talk) 10:25, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

LOL. NC's Cave is highly populated warren again... I'm givin' up.

You noticed the orphans? That Nick & his Bad Seeds! or is it And his Bad Seeds, I forget ;) ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 08:40, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Ready for Nick Castle? ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 10:48, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

How did you do that?! And what now I must be ready for - there's no OS again!? Ask your boss to raise your salary twice at least :). Thanks,--Senvaikis ^(talk) 12:35, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Just a Note

Your /LWUtil just created Etta James:Baby, What You Want Me To Do (Live) incorrectly for the second time. Just thought I'd let you know to see if this could be fixed... --WillMak050389 00:00, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I've thought of another thing I'd like to see. being able to paste in a list of song pages (of various artists?) LWtools format them.

King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 05:49, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, Will. That'll help avoiding such bugs in the future, --Senvaikis ^(talk) 11:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Btw, inspecting the reasons of reported lwt misbehavior exposed some misbehavior of autotemplate: if you click on mentioned link, the new album page will be opened instead of song page, switched by ending "(Live)". Imo it would be easy to modify template to react only on \((\d|\?){4}\). --Senvaikis ^(talk) 16:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

For King: if I understand right your idea - it just can't be realised without radical redesigning of current processing model (based on one artist). But we can discuss that - if you prove expedience of such changes, - i'll make them. I hope you understand that API becomes absolutely useless then...--Senvaikis ^(talk) 18:42, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Hate saying "that's impossible", so I made changes, enabling you to drag'n'drop a link of any LW artist or album page onto trackListView. If that's an artist page, then further processing goes using API getArtist. Otherwise page will be parsed to get the list of songs it contains (including artist name). If given list contains a link to the album, then double click on that item loads the song list for that album. That enables processing of such pages as Various Artist compilations, soundtracks or such pages, normally unavailable for API, as Pink Floyd, Frank Sinatra etc. But now, after I've made all these changes and reread your post, I'm not already so sure if that was exactly what you asked for... ;) If my doubts are valid, - it's of your's own making, so next time please be more detailed ;) Btw, I still haven't got any your response regarding ClickOnce App... Looking for your notes about new bugs I've implemented in 1.5.7 :), --Senvaikis ^(talk) 13:23, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, my intention of having a mismatched list is to kind of prepare for the day when LWtools can do page ranking. I shuddered at the idea of repeating my traipse through all of the different pages that I've done, and knew there was a collection of reasonably well put up pages on my watchlist. This also allows me to do edit a little more 'my way' on the specialpages.

The clickonce is working great, once I found out how to use it. At the time I wasn't aware that Firefox required the extension. But every update since that last time we talked about it, has been on clickonce.

I'll be testing, as always.

King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 17:21, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, I've been running into some problems. First, the drag and drop described above has not worked for me. I Try to drag and drop, and all I get is the name of the link in the artist field.

Next, I am trying to paste in an album asin because LWtools cannot find the album itself. I've had the problem with both Kevin Drew:Spirit If... (2007) and Suzy Bogguss:Simpatico (1994). I remember that we talked about being able to do that.

King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 21:44, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Seems to me you've missed something. What tab were you in while d/d'ing? Ok, let's do it now. Just now, reading this post, open lwt, activate tab "Tracks". then d/d just from page you are reading one of links you provided onto trackListView. Wiki titles should be filled automatically; so will do iTunes. Then do one of following:

• paste known asin of album you are editing into combobox "Asin" & click neighboring asin button "Tracks", or
• find album you are editin on Amazon (e.g. this) and just d/d its address onto same trackListView.

Done. All I'm writing now I've done on my box with the 1.5.7.1 (the same should be successfuly done with any version starting from 1.5.6.3). Let me know results, I'll wait.--Senvaikis ^(talk) 22:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

While waiting for your response decided to describe one more, third way of getting asin info when LW and Amazon naming are different. Let's take Kevin Drew:Spirit If... (2007) for ex. Both wiki & itunes info you can get in any manner - entering artist name in artist textbox and pressing Get Artist or just d/d'ing this link onto tracklist. But asin info remains empty, because artist name on Amazon is substantially different from LW one: "Broken Social Scene Presents: Kevin Drew". In such cases you can use 'alternative artist name' textbox, which visibility can be togged with checkbox "Alt. Art". If you enter Amazon-style artist name in this textbox and press amz. button "Asins", you'll be done again, the third way already :).

Ok, time to go to bed; seems to me you was more wise and outrun me :)--Senvaikis ^(talk) 23:21, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, thank you, both Kevin Drew and the Simpatico album are sorted out to my liking. Sorry I had to ask, but I wasn't getting it on my own.

King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 00:59, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Adminship?

You've certainly proven your dedication to the site and if you'd care to have a few new tools at your disposal, it'd be great to have you be a site administrator. You'd be the "new kid on the block", so you'd be in charge of cleaning up the administrator washroom :-] (EchoSierra will be glad to hear that), but other than that it's nice to be able to delete pages and such. Are you willing?    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   03:04, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Kiefer.

That's really stuning offer; yes, I'd care and yes, I'm willing, but being an admin in my 'real' life I treat adminship too serious to say 'yes' now, knowing that I must start my work in a new big project just from the next week. It would be unfair - I just can't guarantee to have enough time for such honourable duty next tree months. I'm very sad about that, and at the same time very pleased by your offer. I hope that will not push a door for me to join your nice team ~3 months later (hope Sierra will forgive me ;)). I promise to do my best as an ordinary user for a while.

Thank all you once more, --Senvaikis ^(talk) 15:05, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer, and I understand how you'd want to hold off until you've got more time to give. Personally, my view of adminship here is that it's basically a tiny seal of approval that one has shown their dedication to the site, has shown they aren't a hothead, participates in the various discussions that might arise, and knows most of the general ins and outs of the formatting/rules/procedures/etc. It doesn't really give any more authority beyond the fact that admins should be well-versed in the routine areas of the site, and can speak up when procedures and such go astray. The main 2 new abilities that are gained are being able to block vandals/spammers and being able to delete pages. With those abilities does come an added responsibility that you are in some way representing the site. Each of us has our own niches and abilities that are unique and beneficial. I hope that when you feel comfortable with the added responsibility that you'll let me know. Best wishes,    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   19:05, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding and molification, I'll feel much better now :).

And - Kiefer, Red, Echo, Aq, King, Tec,... : I do know how weighty is your 'tiny seal'. Hope some day to have the same :)--Senvaikis ^(talk) 21:52, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

There's an adminship with your name on it Senv, so whenever you're ready just let Kiefer know. We will be very glad to have you on board! Good luck with your real life project!  _♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪^Talk 02:15, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] API and template question

I was reading up recently about your response to Redxx's question about album transclusion on an artist page (here). I was wondering if you might be able to answer a similar question. I am working on many artist and album pages that have featured artists listed after song titles (like T.I. and The Notorious B.I.G.), and it can be very messy. I made a template for this, but I wanted to ask if using it might screw up the API. Could you please take a look at this test page? ♠team a ‹_talk•ctrb› 20:15, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, team a. Your template doesn't break formatting pattern for song link (# '''[[artist:song|songTitle]]'''), so it shouldn't impact API. I've tested this assumption (on Buddy Guy) to validate it. Answer is: your tl doesn't conflict with API (at least current version of API). Regards, --Senvaikis ^(talk) 22:46, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for taking a look, and even going to the extent of checking it. I'm going to give it a spin on some artist pages - hopefully it will make a lot of them less cluttered. ♠team a ‹_talk•ctrb› 08:28, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Odd ringtone-related bug

Moved to LyricWiki talk

[edit] Eminem

Sorry that took a while! All albums in lw should have proper footer now, next, album header for all albums, just like Eminem. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 21:19, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, ES; respect, --Senvaikis ^(talk) 21:45, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Joe Satriani

May I ask you a favour to run LWUtil upon Joe Satriani? ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 17:12, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Done (songs asins, itunes & albums). Sry for delay - was offline.--Senvaikis ^(talk) 23:22, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

As always, Thank you :) ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 19:22, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Album Template

Have you seen the proposed edit to the album template in this discussion? It's going to be a big change to all album pages, so I'd like to know what you think. Comments and criticisms are welcome. ♠team a ‹_talk•ctrb› 03:29, 23 November 2008 (UTC)